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Post by katie on May 20, 2019 20:07:12 GMT
I am doing a bit of research on how to deal with addictions see if there are any good tips or ideas to help me fight it. I haven't done much just n idea in helping us to deal with it I will post more on this thread if I have any good ideas or find something that may help.
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Post by Sam on May 20, 2019 20:54:14 GMT
You might want to look up social media addictions. I've found that its really similar to daydreaming. There's actually a chemical process in our brains that influences social media addiction (you get a dopamine rush, it makes you feel good, so you want to keep scrolling) and it wouldn't surprise me if the same thing is happening with daydreaming.
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Post by katie on May 20, 2019 21:13:31 GMT
You might want to look up social media addictions. I've found that its really similar to daydreaming. There's actually a chemical process in our brains that influences social media addiction (you get a dopamine rush, it makes you feel good, so you want to keep scrolling) and it wouldn't surprise me if the same thing is happening with daydreaming. Thanks Sam. Looking up how to manage an addiction too
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Post by katie on May 20, 2019 21:20:18 GMT
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Post by Sam on May 26, 2019 21:24:52 GMT
TW: Self harm mentionIts interesting that the article talks about substitute addictions. I don't know if I've really experienced that with my daydreaming, but I know that when I stopped self harming 5 years ago, that addictive behavior was quickly replaced by my compulsive skin picking. I don't pick at my skin to hurt myself, which is why I don't consider it to be self harm (even though it does hurt me), but that addictive behavior definitely replaced the old addictive behavior. I've noticed that most of my compulsive behaviors (daydreaming, picking at my skin, social media use, etc) feel the same. I mean, the mechanisms behind them feel the same. Obviously, physically they're all very different, but what triggers them, what occurs while I'm engaging in them, and how I feel afterward is incredibly similar. That's why I created that habit reversal document back in January. The one that I was basing it on was originally for helping with compulsive skin picking. I'm getting off topic, sorry. Anyways, this article has some very good information. There was actually a book mentioned in the daydream less Instagram challenge that specifically dealt with addiction. Now, I think it was focused on alcohol addiction, but as I've seen, addictive behaviors are often incredibly similar to each other and I think that we would likely find some very good information in it. I'll go see if I can find what book it is. Okay, its called "Rational Recovery: The New Cure for Substance Addiction" by Jack Trimpey. Supposedly its very good, though I haven't read it myself. I suppose I probably should if I'm recommending that others read it...
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Post by katie on May 26, 2019 22:58:00 GMT
TW: Self harm mentionIts interesting that the article talks about substitute addictions. I don't know if I've really experienced that with my daydreaming, but I know that when I stopped self harming 5 years ago, that addictive behavior was quickly replaced by my compulsive skin picking. I don't pick at my skin to hurt myself, which is why I don't consider it to be self harm (even though it does hurt me), but that addictive behavior definitely replaced the old addictive behavior. I've noticed that most of my compulsive behaviors (daydreaming, picking at my skin, social media use, etc) feel the same. I mean, the mechanisms behind them feel the same. Obviously, physically they're all very different, but what triggers them, what occurs while I'm engaging in them, and how I feel afterward is incredibly similar. That's why I created that habit reversal document back in January. The one that I was basing it on was originally for helping with compulsive skin picking. I'm getting off topic, sorry. Anyways, this article has some very good information. There was actually a book mentioned in the daydream less Instagram challenge that specifically dealt with addiction. Now, I think it was focused on alcohol addiction, but as I've seen, addictive behaviors are often incredibly similar to each other and I think that we would likely find some very good information in it. I'll go see if I can find what book it is. Okay, its called "Rational Recovery: The New Cure for Substance Addiction" by Jack Trimpey. Supposedly its very good, though I haven't read it myself. I suppose I probably should if I'm recommending that others read it... Yeah I have a eating addiction too lost 2 stone so far and I replaced it with walks love my walks now go out 3 times a day. Plus mysocial anxiety has died down a good bit so I am doing more with my friends so not daydreaming as much still love music listen to it while I am doing this to keep me away form daydreaming and stay focused. Donno how long it will last but it seem to be going well trying to find my own little ways to recover and not by forcing myself to stop daydreaming.
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Post by katie on May 29, 2019 23:19:01 GMT
I have a better addiction website hope this makes more sence. www.wikihow.com/Deal-With-AddictionThere are tips at the end which are good Overcoming an addiction takes time, it is war within ourselves, and we have to be brave. Think of all the troubles your addictions have/will cause you! Talk to someone who can help you, also, there are professionals out there who can help you deal with your addiction. Before the temptation hits you, there is usually a triggering event, we experience something uncomfortable. The mind then seeks to escape that discomfort by resorting to the relief brought upon by the addictive behavior. Take a moment to think and write down what your trigger(s) are, and the next time you find yourself in a trigger situation, be alert and face it courageously. Believe in yourself. You can do it. Do not obsess over it. Every addiction has a root cause, take a moment to think what yours could be.
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Post by Sam on Jun 2, 2019 21:57:49 GMT
A large part of the addiction is our bodies craving dopamine. Its literally exactly the same thing that happens with other addictions, especially internet or shopping addictions that don't involve substances (I think it also happens with substance addictions, but the difference is that you're also adding in the substance instead of just getting an endorphin rush). This is especially true for people who also have ADHD because ADHD causes your body to not properly produce dopamine (that's why people with ADHD have a hard time completing tasks--they don't get the dopamine rush that the rest of us do when we complete something). So I have a theory that doing things to increase the dopamine in our bodies, especially when we're feeling the urge to daydream or when we're going through the initial withdrawal phase when we're starting to decrease our daydreaming time, will be beneficial. Here are a couple of links to articles that mention ways to increase dopamine levels. Link. Link. Link. Some of the tips are repeated over and over, which means that they're probably the ones that are most important. Bottom line: exercise (even just walking lightly), creating to do lists (so that you can check things off), get enough sleep and sunlight, and listen to music that you enjoy (provided that its not going to trigger you--this is a tricky one). Plus some others, but those are probably the most important and potentially easiest ones to do.
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Post by Sam on Jun 3, 2019 0:27:55 GMT
Additionally, I've been looking up twelve step programs for addictions to get some sort of a roadmap of steps, which would be great, if I could actually find a version that isn't heavily religious. As someone who isn't, and has never been, religious, its hard for me to really get into religious stuff. Not to mention, some of the steps are so heavily religious that I literally can't figure out how to remove the religious aspect without getting rid of the step altogether.
I'll keep looking.
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Post by katie on Jun 3, 2019 15:27:52 GMT
A large part of the addiction is our bodies craving dopamine. Its literally exactly the same thing that happens with other addictions, especially internet or shopping addictions that don't involve substances (I think it also happens with substance addictions, but the difference is that you're also adding in the substance instead of just getting an endorphin rush). This is especially true for people who also have ADHD because ADHD causes your body to not properly produce dopamine (that's why people with ADHD have a hard time completing tasks--they don't get the dopamine rush that the rest of us do when we complete something). So I have a theory that doing things to increase the dopamine in our bodies, especially when we're feeling the urge to daydream or when we're going through the initial withdrawal phase when we're starting to decrease our daydreaming time, will be beneficial. Here are a couple of links to articles that mention ways to increase dopamine levels. Link. Link. Link. Some of the tips are repeated over and over, which means that they're probably the ones that are most important. Bottom line: exercise (even just walking lightly), creating to do lists (so that you can check things off), get enough sleep and sunlight, and listen to music that you enjoy (provided that its not going to trigger you--this is a tricky one). Plus some others, but those are probably the most important and potentially easiest ones to do. Yes this is what I have been doing going for plenty of walks to increase my dopamine. Listening to music while I am doing things and spending time with family and friends and enjoying the real world too is important for our addiction disorder as it can isolate us. Was at Ann marie, did the mini Marathon yesterday and going for a meal tonight. I already had my walk when I got up for an hour daydreamed for a while but wasn't totally within it. Felt a bit hazy after donno why but feeling better replacing my addiction nearly for 3 walks a day but I am losing weight and feeling more confident to get out trying not to over do it doe. My social anxiety is much better to with my new meds too. Its all about the mind set.
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yasmine
Active Daydreamer
 
i see mdd as a gift but i want to reduce it cause it starts looking like a curse
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Post by yasmine on Jun 4, 2019 10:11:22 GMT
I am doing a bit of research on how to deal with addictions see if there are any good tips or ideas to help me fight it. I haven't done much just n idea in helping us to deal with it I will post more on this thread if I have any good ideas or find something that may help. heyy heyy i am more than happy to try and help you out. the first thing you need to recognise is that md is an addiction, you are addicted to daydreaming. its not that daydreaming wants you but you want to daydream this is a very important thing to keep in mind if you want to reduce the daydreaming. when you daydream your brain makes more dopamin. but like you can get clean from any other addiction you can reduce this to (this is my strategie to stop daydreaming unhealthy amounts of time). first step is what i mentioned in the beginning so recognise its an addiction second step is recognizing you dont need a save space anymore and that its oke to face reality (this one can be difficult if your md was caused by a trauma but less difficult if it wasnt) then comes something that not many want to do but you need to make your daydream world less fun, kill off characters, start sabotaging your own mind. than try and reduce daydreaming itself, by now its easier for your mind to do so but you still need to take babysteps and change the source of the dopamine slowly by doing other stuff that are fun (see in the end why this is important). and if this all doesnt help you than there is plan b. learn to be usefull while daydreaming. thats what i do now cause i cant face reality sadly enough. i just cant pass that step.please do this slowly, stopping with an addiction to fast may cause you to fall in another addiction to replace the source of dopamine as fast as possible. and ohww yeah one thing you need to know daydreaming isnt your enemy its your addiction to it that is so daydreaming a few times a week isnt bad
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Post by katie on Jun 4, 2019 10:46:16 GMT
I am doing a bit of research on how to deal with addictions see if there are any good tips or ideas to help me fight it. I haven't done much just n idea in helping us to deal with it I will post more on this thread if I have any good ideas or find something that may help. heyy heyy i am more than happy to try and help you out. the first thing you need to recognise is that md is an addiction, you are addicted to daydreaming. its not that daydreaming wants you but you want to daydream this is a very important thing to keep in mind if you want to reduce the daydreaming. when you daydream your brain makes more dopamin. but like you can get clean from any other addiction you can reduce this to (this is my strategie to stop daydreaming unhealthy amounts of time). first step is what i mentioned in the beginning so recognise its an addiction second step is recognizing you dont need a save space anymore and that its oke to face reality (this one can be difficult if your md was caused by a trauma but less difficult if it wasnt) then comes something that not many want to do but you need to make your daydream world less fun, kill off characters, start sabotaging your own mind. than try and reduce daydreaming itself, by now its easier for your mind to do so but you still need to take babysteps and change the source of the dopamine slowly by doing other stuff that are fun (see in the end why this is important). and if this all doesnt help you than there is plan b. learn to be usefull while daydreaming. thats what i do now cause i cant face reality sadly enough. i just cant pass that step.please do this slowly, stopping with an addiction to fast may cause you to fall in another addiction to replace the source of dopamine as fast as possible. and ohww yeah one thing you need to know daydreaming isnt your enemy its your addiction to it that is so daydreaming a few times a week isnt bad Thanks for the post that was really helpful. I am walking a good bit to try and replace it and get my dopamine that way plus exercise to bring down my weight and help with my mental health issues. Don't feel the need to daydream that much anymore have my own strategies in helping control it just working on the addiction side of it and made this thread so we could help each other with it.
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Post by katie on Jun 8, 2019 18:48:30 GMT
So a update on how things are going I have been distraction myself away from too much daydreaming but now my eating is bad again and I am too restless lately. Going to try and work on me eating and hopefully it will ease as well. As for the restless I am looking into it too sometimes I give into my daydreaming when its bad but then a while after I stop it starts again like I can't stay still. A lot of work going into controlling it. Getting out with my friends any chance I get so thats good.
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yasmine
Active Daydreamer
 
i see mdd as a gift but i want to reduce it cause it starts looking like a curse
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Post by yasmine on Jun 19, 2019 6:23:51 GMT
heyy heyy i am more than happy to try and help you out. the first thing you need to recognise is that md is an addiction, you are addicted to daydreaming. its not that daydreaming wants you but you want to daydream this is a very important thing to keep in mind if you want to reduce the daydreaming. when you daydream your brain makes more dopamin. but like you can get clean from any other addiction you can reduce this to (this is my strategie to stop daydreaming unhealthy amounts of time). first step is what i mentioned in the beginning so recognise its an addiction second step is recognizing you dont need a save space anymore and that its oke to face reality (this one can be difficult if your md was caused by a trauma but less difficult if it wasnt) then comes something that not many want to do but you need to make your daydream world less fun, kill off characters, start sabotaging your own mind. than try and reduce daydreaming itself, by now its easier for your mind to do so but you still need to take babysteps and change the source of the dopamine slowly by doing other stuff that are fun (see in the end why this is important). and if this all doesnt help you than there is plan b. learn to be usefull while daydreaming. thats what i do now cause i cant face reality sadly enough. i just cant pass that step.please do this slowly, stopping with an addiction to fast may cause you to fall in another addiction to replace the source of dopamine as fast as possible. and ohww yeah one thing you need to know daydreaming isnt your enemy its your addiction to it that is so daydreaming a few times a week isnt bad Thanks for the post that was really helpful. I am walking a good bit to try and replace it and get my dopamine that way plus exercise to bring down my weight and help with my mental health issues. Don't feel the need to daydream that much anymore have my own strategies in helping control it just working on the addiction side of it and made this thread so we could help each other with it. good to hear i could help out, just keep doing what works for you the best and i hope you`ll arrive at a better place in ife
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Post by Sam on Jul 9, 2019 20:13:16 GMT
I found another article that looks like it might be helpful. I came across it while researching how to let go of my attachment to certain outcomes, and while it doesn't cover that, I read it and thought that it looked like something that would be a beneficial read for other reasons.
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