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Post by itazmia on Nov 10, 2019 13:38:00 GMT
In my real life i have people around me and what my mind seems to do is pick on one person, maybe 2, and absorb these figures into my daydreaming. I then revert back to these 2 figures in my daydreaming often expressing my emotions to them in my daydreams. I often try and feel what they feel as a way to create the connectedness. Contrary to real life the MD seems to utilise my emotions, quicker pulse, feeling of proving myself and the joy that comes with it. Perhaps joy that comes with it.
Typically one person (or the only person is a female) of the two. It really depends how i percieve how connected to i am in real life. I know when i was growing up i had MD of grandeur, things that could not have possibly happened in my impoverished and restricted and traumatic childhood.
I will take an example MD:
I am driving in reality, and i start daydreaming, I thing the trigger could have been the music playing in the car which is quite up tempo.
(I then visualise the female drive up next to me with her BF. I look over in my daydream and feel egotistical as i have a better car) and then i pull away.
The daydream may be a couple of seconds and seems to run completely parralel to my physical world in that i can do both at once. I never use to daydream about people until i hit 15 or so where i created a lot of guilt of my own doing.
If i take all the daydreaming away i dont have much in life, no friends, no people to talk to. Its almost like a form of escapism to deal with being so isolated.
Another example: I feel like i actually use my vocal chords to say in thought what a girl would say to me. For example she says Dont you have faith in me? Now in reality there is no real connection to this girl. In my head the girl is saying dont you have faith in me. But i think that i am actually saying behind the scenes in my subconcious that i dont really have faith in myself. The daydream just brings to my mind a visualisation of my subconcious.
In general it is quite hard to stop because if you try and stop each one. They end up building up until a very intense daydream passes to my mind. It is almost like a form of addiction.
Does anyone have any insight into the mechanics of the MD process and how it could be stopped?
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Post by Sam on Nov 10, 2019 18:16:47 GMT
You've got some pretty accurate assumptions here. Daydreaming is a form of escapism and I know that I, personally, do use it to deal with being isolated in real life. I also view my daydreams as parts of my subconscious manifesting. For example, instead of being mean to myself when I experience a disappointment or failure, I'll daydream other people being mean to me. Its still me being mean to myself, but its through a different medium. A lot of us on the forum see MD as an addiction. Katie has a thread about that here and there are a number of other threads that mention it. MD is an unhealthy habit that you've built up to cope with real life. This is especially true if you have trauma in your past or other unpleasant experiences in your present (isolation, like you mentioned, or other mental illnesses). If you can break that habit, you'll be on the way to stopping the maladaptive part of your daydreaming. I have a thread here, in which I linked a document that I created for habit reversal training. That could be beneficial. As would trying to deal with the things that trigger your daydreams. Specifically, you mentioned isolation and how MD is the way that you cope with it. If you were able to reduce that isolation, there is a chance that your urge to daydream will lessen.
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Post by serenity on Nov 10, 2019 18:37:18 GMT
Hey Sam,just thought I'd say. Seen a number of your posts. Doing a cracking job, especially when trying to look after others. Thank you, truly S x
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Post by itazmia on Nov 10, 2019 19:07:29 GMT
Hi Sam:: What you say here is really interesting - "I also view my daydreams as parts of my subconscious manifesting. For example, instead of being mean to myself when I experience a disappointment or failure, I'll daydream other people being mean to me. Its still me being mean to myself, but its through a different medium." I alter the daydreams in my head which could change that i am now the subject of what has just happened. I also then change it so that i experience empathy or emotion of what i feel the other person would feel like. That gives me a sense of reassurance. It is this reassurance that i often end dreams with - its almost like a small high.
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Post by itazmia on Nov 10, 2019 19:28:51 GMT
Out of curiosity do you get twitches under the skin after daydreaming? You've got some pretty accurate assumptions here. Daydreaming is a form of escapism and I know that I, personally, do use it to deal with being isolated in real life. I also view my daydreams as parts of my subconscious manifesting. For example, instead of being mean to myself when I experience a disappointment or failure, I'll daydream other people being mean to me. Its still me being mean to myself, but its through a different medium. A lot of us on the forum see MD as an addiction. Katie has a thread about that here and there are a number of other threads that mention it. MD is an unhealthy habit that you've built up to cope with real life. This is especially true if you have trauma in your past or other unpleasant experiences in your present (isolation, like you mentioned, or other mental illnesses). If you can break that habit, you'll be on the way to stopping the maladaptive part of your daydreaming. I have a thread here, in which I linked a document that I created for habit reversal training. That could be beneficial. As would trying to deal with the things that trigger your daydreams. Specifically, you mentioned isolation and how MD is the way that you cope with it. If you were able to reduce that isolation, there is a chance that your urge to daydream will lessen.
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Post by itazmia on Nov 10, 2019 19:33:12 GMT
For me Daydreaming is exactly that - a form of escpasim - its like taking anxiety and depression which are in itself mental illnesses and then internalising that and turning the energy (electrical impulses, biological changes) into imagery and vision. Its highly powerful and id say worse than an addiction that requires a physical requirement (such as alchoholism and drug addiction) the reason being - my mind can come up with unlimited imagery which is at no monetary cost. The downside is that there is huge emotional cost and physical cost. Daydreaming appears to make me look a lot worse. I dont think i have ever looked my true self apart from on very rare rare occasion. The difference in how i look is outstanding (well to me) first my dark eyes go away. My skin becomes much more plump and lighter skinned, almost glowing. I attribute the plumpness to when i daydream it pulls on my nerves in my skin and draws them inwards creating an almost famine like look. My skin also becomes darker in colour, dull and drab. I have out of force once managed to stop daydreaming. This was really hard to do...first of all i was at home at that time which helped but every day what i use to do is run up and down a long length of passgeway in my house and whilst doing so i kept repeating 'i want this person out of my head and out of my mind' at the same time i watched a particular scene in a movie over and over again. It was a car chase scene from the film 'The Rock'. I only ran for about 1 hour a day and at jogging pace. When i started to get an image i ran faster out of force which distracted me from carrying on the image. The rest of the time as soon i got an image i kept repeating 'i want this person out of my head and out of my mind' i did this whilst shaking my head as if to say i dont want it there. However, in the real world i cant do this. First of all there are too many stimuli and as soon i have to do a task by myself the stimuli whether it be a conversation or a certain look by someone else creates a MD perhaps it could 'changing the scenario around of the look and me responding in a certain' nevertheless an alternative to what has just happened. You've got some pretty accurate assumptions here. Daydreaming is a form of escapism and I know that I, personally, do use it to deal with being isolated in real life. I also view my daydreams as parts of my subconscious manifesting. For example, instead of being mean to myself when I experience a disappointment or failure, I'll daydream other people being mean to me. Its still me being mean to myself, but its through a different medium. A lot of us on the forum see MD as an addiction. Katie has a thread about that here and there are a number of other threads that mention it. MD is an unhealthy habit that you've built up to cope with real life. This is especially true if you have trauma in your past or other unpleasant experiences in your present (isolation, like you mentioned, or other mental illnesses). If you can break that habit, you'll be on the way to stopping the maladaptive part of your daydreaming. I have a thread here, in which I linked a document that I created for habit reversal training. That could be beneficial. As would trying to deal with the things that trigger your daydreams. Specifically, you mentioned isolation and how MD is the way that you cope with it. If you were able to reduce that isolation, there is a chance that your urge to daydream will lessen.
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Post by Sam on Nov 11, 2019 2:24:31 GMT
Out of curiosity do you get twitches under the skin after daydreaming? I don't think so? Is it, like, just an urge to keep daydreaming or maybe a side effect of stimming (if you do that while daydreaming)?
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Post by itazmia on Nov 11, 2019 18:27:08 GMT
Out of curiosity do you get twitches under the skin after daydreaming? I don't think so? Is it, like, just an urge to keep daydreaming or maybe a side effect of stimming (if you do that while daydreaming)?
its under the skin, it could appear anywhere in the body but its usually the limbs. The very first time i experienced muscle twitches in response to a daydream was when i was 15/16. It appeared first in my ear lobes. Another symptom i have is very brisk reflexes in my legs. If i tapped my knee my leg would shoot up. Its the reflex test a doctor would do.
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Post by Sam on Nov 11, 2019 19:40:51 GMT
I don't think so? Is it, like, just an urge to keep daydreaming or maybe a side effect of stimming (if you do that while daydreaming)?
its under the skin, it could appear anywhere in the body but its usually the limbs. The very first time i experienced muscle twitches in response to a daydream was when i was 15/16. It appeared first in my ear lobes. Another symptom i have is very brisk reflexes in my legs. If i tapped my knee my leg would shoot up. Its the reflex test a doctor would do.
Yeah, I don't think I've experienced that. You could post a poll or a thread that asks others if they experience that if you'd like.
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Post by philippe on Nov 11, 2019 21:04:22 GMT
In my real life i have people around me and what my mind seems to do is pick on one person, maybe 2, and absorb these figures into my daydreaming. I then revert back to these 2 figures in my daydreaming often expressing my emotions to them in my daydreams. I often try and feel what they feel as a way to create the connectedness. Contrary to real life the MD seems to utilise my emotions, quicker pulse, feeling of proving myself and the joy that comes with it. Perhaps joy that comes with it. Typically one person (or the only person is a female) of the two. It really depends how i percieve how connected to i am in real life. I know when i was growing up i had MD of grandeur, things that could not have possibly happened in my impoverished and restricted and traumatic childhood. I will take an example MD: I am driving in reality, and i start daydreaming, I thing the trigger could have been the music playing in the car which is quite up tempo. (I then visualise the female drive up next to me with her BF. I look over in my daydream and feel egotistical as i have a better car) and then i pull away. The daydream may be a couple of seconds and seems to run completely parralel to my physical world in that i can do both at once. I never use to daydream about people until i hit 15 or so where i created a lot of guilt of my own doing. If i take all the daydreaming away i dont have much in life, no friends, no people to talk to. Its almost like a form of escapism to deal with being so isolated. Another example: I feel like i actually use my vocal chords to say in thought what a girl would say to me. For example she says Dont you have faith in me? Now in reality there is no real connection to this girl. In my head the girl is saying dont you have faith in me. But i think that i am actually saying behind the scenes in my subconcious that i dont really have faith in myself. The daydream just brings to my mind a visualisation of my subconcious. In general it is quite hard to stop because if you try and stop each one. They end up building up until a very intense daydream passes to my mind. It is almost like a form of addiction. Does anyone have any insight into the mechanics of the MD process and how it could be stopped? I can relate to most points. Are you isolated because of daydream or does the daydream take place because you are isolated?
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Post by itazmia on Nov 11, 2019 21:48:37 GMT
Il post a poll that would be interesting
its under the skin, it could appear anywhere in the body but its usually the limbs. The very first time i experienced muscle twitches in response to a daydream was when i was 15/16. It appeared first in my ear lobes. Another symptom i have is very brisk reflexes in my legs. If i tapped my knee my leg would shoot up. Its the reflex test a doctor would do.
Yeah, I don't think I've experienced that. You could post a poll or a thread that asks others if they experience that if you'd like.
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Post by itazmia on Nov 11, 2019 21:50:34 GMT
I would say both are contributing factors. I do feel daydreaming is from a highly clever part of the mind where the formation of emotions occur before they even enter your concious thought process. In my real life i have people around me and what my mind seems to do is pick on one person, maybe 2, and absorb these figures into my daydreaming. I then revert back to these 2 figures in my daydreaming often expressing my emotions to them in my daydreams. I often try and feel what they feel as a way to create the connectedness. Contrary to real life the MD seems to utilise my emotions, quicker pulse, feeling of proving myself and the joy that comes with it. Perhaps joy that comes with it. Typically one person (or the only person is a female) of the two. It really depends how i percieve how connected to i am in real life. I know when i was growing up i had MD of grandeur, things that could not have possibly happened in my impoverished and restricted and traumatic childhood. I will take an example MD: I am driving in reality, and i start daydreaming, I thing the trigger could have been the music playing in the car which is quite up tempo. (I then visualise the female drive up next to me with her BF. I look over in my daydream and feel egotistical as i have a better car) and then i pull away. The daydream may be a couple of seconds and seems to run completely parralel to my physical world in that i can do both at once. I never use to daydream about people until i hit 15 or so where i created a lot of guilt of my own doing. If i take all the daydreaming away i dont have much in life, no friends, no people to talk to. Its almost like a form of escapism to deal with being so isolated. Another example: I feel like i actually use my vocal chords to say in thought what a girl would say to me. For example she says Dont you have faith in me? Now in reality there is no real connection to this girl. In my head the girl is saying dont you have faith in me. But i think that i am actually saying behind the scenes in my subconcious that i dont really have faith in myself. The daydream just brings to my mind a visualisation of my subconcious. In general it is quite hard to stop because if you try and stop each one. They end up building up until a very intense daydream passes to my mind. It is almost like a form of addiction. Does anyone have any insight into the mechanics of the MD process and how it could be stopped? I can relate to most points. Are you isolated because of daydream or does the daydream take place because you are isolated?
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